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Join us for a fireside chat with the founder of O Shaped and Browne Jacobson – one of the first law firms to fully embrace its principles to help create a more human legal profession – to explore the impact of O Shaped’s vision for change on the firm (particularly in Wales), it’s people, clients and communities it serves.

In this episode of the Legal Sector Resilience podcast, our editor sat down with Dan Kayne, Founder of O Shaped, and Laura Hughes and Tim Edds, Partners at Browne Jacobson about the value lawyers and in-house lawyers can offer organisations beyond legal advice – how this works in practice, the freedoms that need to be given to offer problem solving solutions and the benefits to clients and employers as well as the legal sector itself.

This free podcast is an ideal listen for any legal professional, in private practice or in-house, to those commissioning legal services, and for aspiring lawyers.

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We will announce the details of the event mentioned in the podcast – hosted with O Shaped and Browne Jacobson – on our events page and on Linkedin in due course.


Guest profiles

Dan Kayne, O Shaped

Dan trained at Dechert LLP before moving in-house to Network Rail in 2007. From 2016 to 2022 Dan was General Counsel (Regions) at Network Rail leading a team of 20 lawyers. In that time, Dan embedded his ‘people first’ approach to leadership, contributing to his team having the highest engagement scores across the company. In 2019, Dan founded the O Shaped Lawyer, driven by a desire to improve the legal profession for those who use it, are entering it and buy services from it. You can read more about O Shaped, here.

Laura Hughes, Browne Jacobson

Laura Hughes is head of the public law team at Browne Jacobson, as well as head of the insurance and public risk department. Laura is an experienced public law expert who advises her clients on their most important and high-profile matters. She acts across the public sector advising clients in government, local government, education, health, audit, sports and natural resources.

Laura’s clients include Welsh Government, National Audit Office, Natural Resources Wales, Sport England, Qualification Wales, Northern Ireland Audit Office, UK Sport, and the Cabinet Office. Laura is happiest when she is sat around a client’s Board or Executive table helping them through their trickiest issues to a decision which is defendable, lawful and made in the public interest. Click here for her full profile.

Tim Edds, Browne Jacobson

Tim is a partner at Browne Jacobson, specialising in matters involving assessments of public and administrative law risk, particularly those matters with a Welsh devolution focus. He is also an experienced legislative draftsman. Tim establishes close working relationships with his clients and regularly operates as an extension to in-house legal teams. He regularly acts for government departments and other public bodies defending judicial review proceedings.

Tim previously worked as an in-house Welsh Government lawyer, as well as previously in Environment Agency Wales (now Natural Resources Wales). His experience has given him a unique understanding of the considerations entailed in, and a complete appreciation of, the process of policy development from inception through to formal decision and implementation through legislation. Click here for Tim’s full profile.

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Emma Waddingham

Emma Waddingham

Editor, Legal News

Emma Waddingham is the Editor & Founder of Legal News. She is a seasoned legal editor and journalist and experienced marketing & events consultant, working almost exclusively with the UK legal sector.